Video of the interview as well as a 190-page transcript were filed in court during pretrial discussions and obtained by National Post. Normally, media would not be allowed to reveal the content of such an interview, especially one so incendiary and incriminating, until it was entered as a public exhibit at trial. However, Postmedia and other news organizations asked the trial judge to allow publication now, because Minassian’s guilt or innocence will be decided by a judge without a jury and because of the compelling public importance of the material.Minassian’s interview has not yet faced legal objections or challenges to its truth. For now, it stands as a disturbing, graphic and uncontradicted account of the accused man’s own blunt words, as told to police just hours after his arrest.“I’m a little shaken, to be honest,” Minassian said near the beginning of the interview, when asked how he was doing.“It’s not my usual day, obviously.”It wasn’t a usual day for anyone in the city.————At about 1:22 p.m. on April 23, 2018, a rental van started barreling along the sidewalks of Yonge Street between Finch and Sheppard avenues, crashing into and over pedestrians.After 10 minutes of chaos and carnage, Minassian was arrested unharmed, despite trying to provoke a police officer to shoot him by pretending he had a gun.He was charged with 10 counts of first-degree murder and 16 counts of attempted murder.About nine hours later, Minassian was led into a Toronto police interview room where everything was recorded. Stripped of his clothing and wearing only his underwear and a white police-issue cover-all, Minassian was told he legally did not have to answer questions. He was taken to a private room where he telephoned a lawyer for advice, first, who advised him not to answer any questions.Even so, Minassian was drawn into conversation through patient and clever questioning by Det. Rob Thomas, an investigator with Toronto police’s Sex Crimes, Behavioural Assessment Section.Despite the gravity of the situation, Minassian sat placidly, only occasionally shifting his weight in the chair placed by police in the corner of the room, crossing or uncrossing his legs, or splaying them in front of him.He spoke in a steady, flat tone with precise, clipped enunciation, devoid of any emotional displays. He had a decidedly cold manner, even when discussing his victims, to the point of sounding like a machine when describing killing as “to convert the life status of certain individuals to death status.”The interview began at 10:46 p.m.After early reluctance to open up — declining to answer 20 of Thomas’s first substantive questions — Minassian was soon speaking in granular detail, about his life, about why and how he did the van attack, and explaining the destructive worldview of the incels, such as dividing humanity into categories of betas, Stacys, Chads and normies. Police couldn’t crack Toronto van attack driver’s laptop, phone passwords despite eight months of trying U.S. Army warns of possible incel shootings at Joker film screenings He claimed he had communicated online with two other notorious incels — including the man he called the movement’s “founding forefather” — prior to them committing their own massacres: Elliot Rodger, who killed six people in California in 2014, and Chris Harper-Mercer, who killed nine people in Oregon in 2015.Together they plotted “timed strikes” in an incel rebellion, Minassian claimed.Minassian claimed that Rodger even confided in him about his plans three days before Rodger’s killing spree. Minassian wished him luck.Such startling declarations of his self-described “radicalization” and overt intent behind the van attack were made by Minassian during an almost 4-1/2 hour post-arrest interview with police. Toronto van attack suspect Alek Minassian. He wanted something bigger than a car “to inflict severe damage.” While he told Ryder he wanted to help a friend move furniture, he told police the van was really meant to be a “tool for the rebellion.”He reserved a van for 1 p.m. on April 23.Then, he waited.“I didn’t need to make any further preparations.” While he waited, he was “preoccupied” with the idea.“I was thinking that I would inspire future masses to join me in my uprising,” he said. “How the foundations of the world would be shooken by this event.”The day before the attack he posted a message on 4chan, using coded language to avoid detection, he said.“I stated there will be a beta uprising tomorrow, I encourage others to follow suit.”He said he received several congratulatory replies, including someone from Edmonton who said he would do his part on Nov. 15. Thomas probed for details about the threat, but Minassian offered nothing more. (Edmonton police told the Post the force did not have enough information to even begin looking into whether the threat was forwarded to them or whether it was investigated.)————On the day of the van attack, Minassian woke about 7 a.m. after a solid eight hours sleep. He ate breakfast, cleaned up and checked his email to see if there were any school emails or job offers, he said.There were none.He then went for a walk around his neighbourhood before heading to pick up the van.Just before he started driving it, he posted a Facebook message from his phone.(That post provided the first public link between the attack and the incel ideology. In part, it said: “The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!” It also referenced 4chan.)Minassian drove the van towards Yonge St., “because I knew it would be a busy area,” he said.“I’m thinking that this is it, this is the day of retribution.” (This is a phrase Rodger used in a video he posted on YouTube just before his own killing spree.)This is the day of retribution“That’s the only thing that’s in my mind, it’s just burning in my mind,” Minassian said. He drove along Yonge St., “and then as soon as I saw there were pedestrians, I just decided to go for it.”He said he pushed the gas pedal to the floor.“I just started using it as a weapon,” he said.“I speed the van towards them, and I allow the van to collide with them,” he said. “The vehicle collided with several pedestrians, some of who are no longer alive as a result.“To be honest, the only reason I stopped my attack was because someone’s drink got splashed on my windshield and I was worried that I would crash the van.“I wanted to do more,” he said, but he could hardly see. “I saw the cops approaching so I decided to pull over and get out of my van.”He purposely pointed his wallet at the arriving police officer, hoping he would think it was a gun and shoot him. That was part of his plan, he said, “suicide by cop.”He considered buying a toy gun to provoke police but he worried someone at the rental company might see it and decline to give him the van.“So I decided to go as stealthily as possible.” Alek Minassian, charged with murdering 10 people in the April 2018 van attack in Toronto, is questioned by police detective Rob Thomas after the attack. (A beta is an incel; Stacy is the generic name for attractive women who shun betas; Chad is the name for sexually successful men who attract women despite being seen as dumb; normies are the masses in between, with average looks and intelligence.)Minassian explained what the “incel rebellion” was.“It’s basically a movement of angry incels such as myself who are unable to get laid, therefore we want to overthrow the Chads, which would force the Stacys to be forced to reproduce with the incels.”But it took the detective a while to get Minassian to that point. Thomas started by gently asking Minassian about his relationships.“Have you ever had a relationship with a female?”“I don’t wish to answer that,” Minassian said, at first. He had trouble resisting the topic, however.“I would say that sometimes I am a bit upset that they choose to date obnoxious men instead of a gentleman,” he said. He traced his feelings of alienation to an incident in 2012.“I did ask a girl out once but she rejected me,” he said. “I felt crushed at that point.”I consider myself a supreme gentlemanAnother defining moment for him came when he went to a Halloween party in 2013. He “attempted to socialize with some girls, however they all laughed at me and held the arms of the big guys instead.“I felt angry they would give their love and affection to obnoxious brutes,” he said, “because I consider myself a supreme gentleman.”When he started college in Toronto in 2014, taking a bachelor of software development degree program at Seneca College, he found he wasn’t alone in this anger.A friend he met at college pointed him to online forums where the incel community was quietly burgeoning.Minassian connected with likeminded men primarily through message boards on 4chan and Reddit, he said. The forums reveal incel discussions dwelling on outrageous expressions of misogyny. Primary themes include: vivid threats of rape, death and subjugation of women; urging violence against men who are sexually active; and bleak, often suicidal self-denigration.Although he said he doesn’t hold “any political views,” he was attracted to forums featuring “political discussions with an alt-right bias,” he said. “It was very blunt and honest,” he said of the online posts. There he learned the “red pill truths about why women choose to date obnoxious men.“I know of several other guys over the internet who feel the same way, but,” Minassian said, “I would consider them too cowardly to act on their anger.” Ontario Superior Court Cole Burston/Getty Images TORONTO — Soon after Alek Minassian was charged with killing 10 people by purposely crashing a van into them along a crowded Toronto sidewalk last year, a police officer asked him how he felt about it.“I feel like I accomplished my mission,” Minassian calmly replied.That mission, he declared in a lengthy interview with police, was to cause mass casualties and panic as part of the “involuntary celibate” rebellion, a violent ideology — known as incel for short — held by some men who feel dangerously aggrieved by their inability to attract sexual interest from women.Minassian, 26, explicitly declared his fealty to the incel doctrine, and his links to the incel movement went far deeper and were more structured than previously known, according to his own account of planning and executing his “mission.”Related LinkedIn via CP A police officer stands near a body covered by a tarp on the sidewalk along Yonge Street near Finch Avenue after a man drove a rental van down the sidewalk and hit and killed multiple pedestrians in Toronto, April 23, 2018. Emergency responders at the scene on Yonge Street after a van plowed into pedestrians on April 23, 2018 in Toronto. Cole Burston/Getty Images Tyler Anderson/National Post Police inspect a van which struck and killed multiple pedestrians on Yonge Street in Toronto, April 23, 2018. He refused to identify them or his college friend who introduced him to the online world of incels.Minassian was a receptive student — and mimic — of incel culture. He spoke with authority on incel terminology and people. He knew its history and key dates by heart. Several phrases he used are common in incel forums.Online he connected directly with Rodger and Harper-Mercer, he said. (Both men later committed suicide by shooting themselves in the head after launching separate deadly attacks.)Minassian said he first sent a private message to Rodger on Reddit after Minassian read one of his posts in January 2014. It started an online back-and-forth, most of it through 4chan, he claimed.“We found each other very interesting. We both had the same frustrations,” he said, “despite being separate by distance so far apart.” He never met Rodger in person, but wished he had.Minassian said he last communicated with Rodger on May 20, 2014, three days before Rodger’s attacks near a university campus in Isla Vista, California.“He told me that he has to go, he must, he’s on a very important mission and he might not make it back alive.“I kind of had an idea in my head of what he was planning but I didn’t want to think it was true at the time, so I said, so I replied, and said, I wish you good luck with that.”We discussed our frustrations at society and being unable to get laidMinassian claimed he, Rodger and Harper-Mercer plotted staggered incel attacks.“We discussed our frustrations at society and being unable to get laid and we were plotting a certain timed strikes on society, in order to confuse and shake the foundations, just to put all the normies in a state of panic.”There is no independent corroboration of Minassian’s account of his ties to Rodger or Harper-Mercer, and it is not yet known if he was telling the truth or aggrandizing his place in the incel world.Minassian said he learned of Rodger’s attacks and suicide on the news.“I felt kind of proud of him for his acts of bravery,” he said. He credits Rodger with starting the “beta uprising.” Rodger’s acts made him “feel radicalized.”Thomas asked him what he meant.“I felt it was time to take action and not just sit on the sidelines and just fester in my own sadness.”————Minassian spent a large portion of his life online. Logging in seemed his default state. He owned two laptops. At Seneca College, there was a specific computer in the school’s library he obsessively used. He also had his phone.He played a lot of video games, about five hours each day, “especially the violent ones,” he said. “I just like to let out all my urges into the TV screen.“I would classify myself as a hardcore gamer,” he said, also saying, “I watch too much TV,” favouring crime shows.He enlisted in the Canadian Forces, with plans to join the infantry as a soldier on the frontlines.“I was interested in learning how to use weapons,” especially assault rifles, “because these you can actually hold in your hand.” But he never made it far enough in his training to fire any guns in the military. (The Department of National Defence said Minassian was judged to be an unsuitable recruit and voluntarily left basic training after 16 days, although the military saw no “red flags” of violence.)Instead, he enrolled in college.He did not excel in high school, spending most of it in special needs classes. “I was kind of a nerd in high school,” he said, but seemed to do well in his four-year software program.He had completed the requirements for his degree — his last day of classes was five days before the attack.The timing was not a coincidence. He felt the attack would be “more symbolic” if he had finished his college degree first, he said.After years of feeling radicalized — “just thinking and day dreaming,” he said — he started planning an attack a few weeks before it occurred.“I was thinking that it was time that I stood up to the Chads and Stacys,” Minassian said.While he was at his campus library in early April, he read online reviews for various vehicle rental companies. He dismissed some companies because people complained about poor customer service before settling on Ryder. “People loved Ryder,” he said.Minassian phoned and asked for a van or a truck. They had a 10-foot van available. It sounded “perfect” — “big enough to have an effect but not too big that I can’t manoeuvre with it.” Once he realized the officer wasn’t going to shoot, he surrendered.“I realize I had no choice but to get on the ground because I was probably going to be tackled anyway or tased,” he said. “If I’m going to live, I’d rather not encounter a physically painful experience.”————It was at this point in the interview, after almost four hours, that Minassian abandoned his original reluctance to talk about his personal experience with women.After a bathroom break, during which Minassian displayed obsessive-compulsive qualities — using paper towel to turn off the taps then taking fresh paper towel to avoid touching the doorknob to open the door, explaining “I had to ensure that there would be no germs on my hand” — Thomas revisited his question of whether he had ever been intimate with a woman.“Unfortunately, I haven’t,” Minassian said. He has never had a girlfriend and didn’t go to his high school prom.He said he hadn’t had sex because, “I’m too nice.”Minassian wasn’t asked detailed questions about his mental health. Several former classmates earlier described him as socially awkward and having behavioural issues. His mother, in an unrelated media interview before the attack, said her son had Asperger syndrome, an autism spectrum disorder.Asked about his religion, he said he was an atheist.“I wasn’t raised with any religion,” he said.In answer to questions about his travels, Minassian spoke of visiting Quebec for summer hiking at Mont-Tremblant, of family Christmas vacations in Chicago, San Francisco and Los Angeles and a spring trip to Boston.Thomas then confronted Minassian about his claim he took a bus to pick up the van. Minassian insisted he was telling the truth, but Thomas told him that Minassian’s father, Vahe, had already told police he dropped him off at a coffee shop nearby.Minassian then admitted that was the case. He said he lied to protect his father. “I was worried that you would think he was an accomplice,” Minassian said, “but he was not aware of this.”Minassian assured Thomas that everything else he said was true.As the interview wound down, Thomas asked Minassian about his reaction to the deaths and injuries he was charged with. That’s when he chillingly said he accomplished his mission.Thomas asked him if that is what he would tell the families of the van attack victims if they came into the room.“I honestly don’t know what I would say,” Minassian answered.“Would you apologize?”“I honestly don’t know.”Minassian was led out of the room at 3:04 a.m.His trial is scheduled for next February.